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		<title>By: Andy Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1720</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last week I was wondering about &lt;a href=&quot;http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/11/24/the-critics-and-social-media&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the critics and social media&lt;/a&gt; and in particular why the newly opened London musical &quot;Imagine This&quot; press critics reviews are so diametrically opposed to the comments being left by members of the public who have seen the show since. It still leaves open the question as to whose opinion any potential ticket buyer might trust, if any.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I was wondering about <a href="http://distributedresearch.net/blog/2008/11/24/the-critics-and-social-media" rel="nofollow">the critics and social media</a> and in particular why the newly opened London musical &#8220;Imagine This&#8221; press critics reviews are so diametrically opposed to the comments being left by members of the public who have seen the show since. It still leaves open the question as to whose opinion any potential ticket buyer might trust, if any.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Boothman</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1719</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Boothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 10:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Theatre Breaks Blogger: It isn&#039;t a case of needing the incumbents&#039; permission to move along, it&#039;s more that they are the highest profile, best respected critics in the industry and if they aren&#039;t embracing the technology - or are actively opposed to it - then blogging, tweeting, etc. are denied any &lt;i&gt;mainstream&lt;/i&gt; legitimacy.

Perhaps we don&#039;t want mainstream legitimacy for these outlets, perhaps we want them to remain an underground, guerilla form of reviewing, but that would be a bit like (slightly strained simile incoming) discovering a spring and just using it to splash the grown-ups, instead of letting people drink the water or using it to power waterwheels and things.

Of course we&#039;re going to use these services to review things whether the incumbents like it or not, but until they get with the programme the &lt;i&gt;public face&lt;/i&gt; of criticism is still outdated and technophobic, and so that&#039;s how criticism as a profession will continue to be viewed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Theatre Breaks Blogger: It isn&#8217;t a case of needing the incumbents&#8217; permission to move along, it&#8217;s more that they are the highest profile, best respected critics in the industry and if they aren&#8217;t embracing the technology &#8211; or are actively opposed to it &#8211; then blogging, tweeting, etc. are denied any <i>mainstream</i> legitimacy.</p>
<p>Perhaps we don&#8217;t want mainstream legitimacy for these outlets, perhaps we want them to remain an underground, guerilla form of reviewing, but that would be a bit like (slightly strained simile incoming) discovering a spring and just using it to splash the grown-ups, instead of letting people drink the water or using it to power waterwheels and things.</p>
<p>Of course we&#8217;re going to use these services to review things whether the incumbents like it or not, but until they get with the programme the <i>public face</i> of criticism is still outdated and technophobic, and so that&#8217;s how criticism as a profession will continue to be viewed.</p>
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		<title>By: martine silber</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1718</link>
		<dc:creator>martine silber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a former theatre critic at Le Monde, made redundant by the financial crisis in newspapers, I started blogging just to go on sharing and because it&#039;s a way of thanking the theater people who still send me invitations. I do enjoy it and hope (after a couple of monthes) that I&#039;ll get more and more readers as my newspaper (and they all do) is giving less and less space to culture...(films are still treated &quot;normally&quot;).
It&#039;s not, a generational thing I think (I&#039;m over 60) but more of an educational problem: if they don&#039;t teach journalists to use technology, how will they learn? So, they&#039;re scared. 
Furthermore, the journalists blogs are not always easy to find when you read the paper on line.
And as the chied editors don&#039;t have their say on what is published on a blog,  they do not like it .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former theatre critic at Le Monde, made redundant by the financial crisis in newspapers, I started blogging just to go on sharing and because it&#8217;s a way of thanking the theater people who still send me invitations. I do enjoy it and hope (after a couple of monthes) that I&#8217;ll get more and more readers as my newspaper (and they all do) is giving less and less space to culture&#8230;(films are still treated &#8220;normally&#8221;).<br />
It&#8217;s not, a generational thing I think (I&#8217;m over 60) but more of an educational problem: if they don&#8217;t teach journalists to use technology, how will they learn? So, they&#8217;re scared.<br />
Furthermore, the journalists blogs are not always easy to find when you read the paper on line.<br />
And as the chied editors don&#8217;t have their say on what is published on a blog,  they do not like it .</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie critic</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1717</link>
		<dc:creator>Aussie critic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree there will be a generational shift shortly in reviewing (as in all forms of news media) that will embrace web 2.0 and beyond.

Interestingly though, while critics have been singled out as being the most expendable in a digital age, there&#039;s still a very real issue of authority. 

This isn&#039;t to say &quot;citizen&quot; reviewing isn&#039;t legit; everyone knows word of mouth is the best (or most brutal) advertising there is. But as someone who writes theatre reviews for print (and loves to read the words of others for comparison), I feel people still want to hear from a learned, experienced source who does this kind of thing day in and day out as opposed to someone who simply vents about a movie or show they didn&#039;t like.

I use Facebook to give quick impressions of things I&#039;ve seen (usually if I&#039;ve loved or loathed them), but when people ask &quot;what did you really think about show x?&quot;, I always refer to the print version, as this is the one I&#039;ve slaved over and made sure conveys *all* my thoughts, important context etc. 

It also comes back to the issue of circulation - even the most popular Australian blogger isn&#039;t going to reach more people than say a local paper or street press publication. Until the majority of media consumers reject papers outright, the dinosaur reviewers (and the products they write for) will still play a central and vital role in the reviewing process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree there will be a generational shift shortly in reviewing (as in all forms of news media) that will embrace web 2.0 and beyond.</p>
<p>Interestingly though, while critics have been singled out as being the most expendable in a digital age, there&#8217;s still a very real issue of authority. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t to say &#8220;citizen&#8221; reviewing isn&#8217;t legit; everyone knows word of mouth is the best (or most brutal) advertising there is. But as someone who writes theatre reviews for print (and loves to read the words of others for comparison), I feel people still want to hear from a learned, experienced source who does this kind of thing day in and day out as opposed to someone who simply vents about a movie or show they didn&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>I use Facebook to give quick impressions of things I&#8217;ve seen (usually if I&#8217;ve loved or loathed them), but when people ask &#8220;what did you really think about show x?&#8221;, I always refer to the print version, as this is the one I&#8217;ve slaved over and made sure conveys *all* my thoughts, important context etc. </p>
<p>It also comes back to the issue of circulation &#8211; even the most popular Australian blogger isn&#8217;t going to reach more people than say a local paper or street press publication. Until the majority of media consumers reject papers outright, the dinosaur reviewers (and the products they write for) will still play a central and vital role in the reviewing process.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Foy</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1716</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Foy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah goodness indeed. Never was it truer ... everyone&#039;s a critic, or at least now with all this new fangled social networking apparatus available to anyone, then anyone has the potential to be a critic. Problem for entrenched points of view or status positions? Mmmmm, well yes I would think so.

Blogging isn&#039;t dead, and micro-blogging of the verbal (Twitter), audio (Utterli) or video (Seesmic/12 secs) variety is just another version of the old word of mouth review, and those of us in the business know how powerful word of mouth is. 

Certainly the so-called &#039;heritage media&#039; are lagging sadly behind if they do not see the value to their organisation of engaging with their readership ... whether it&#039;s online or in print. Many are rushing to catch up and their heritage fingerprints are still all over these attempts to get with it. That&#039;s OK too. We&#039;re all in the same cyber-stream and it&#039;s moving very quickly indeed.

As Oscar might have said, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked, tweeted or chatted about. What&#039;s wrong with spreading the talk on theatre. Bring it on, say I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah goodness indeed. Never was it truer &#8230; everyone&#8217;s a critic, or at least now with all this new fangled social networking apparatus available to anyone, then anyone has the potential to be a critic. Problem for entrenched points of view or status positions? Mmmmm, well yes I would think so.</p>
<p>Blogging isn&#8217;t dead, and micro-blogging of the verbal (Twitter), audio (Utterli) or video (Seesmic/12 secs) variety is just another version of the old word of mouth review, and those of us in the business know how powerful word of mouth is. </p>
<p>Certainly the so-called &#8216;heritage media&#8217; are lagging sadly behind if they do not see the value to their organisation of engaging with their readership &#8230; whether it&#8217;s online or in print. Many are rushing to catch up and their heritage fingerprints are still all over these attempts to get with it. That&#8217;s OK too. We&#8217;re all in the same cyber-stream and it&#8217;s moving very quickly indeed.</p>
<p>As Oscar might have said, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked, tweeted or chatted about. What&#8217;s wrong with spreading the talk on theatre. Bring it on, say I.</p>
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		<title>By: Theatre Breaks Blogger</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1715</link>
		<dc:creator>Theatre Breaks Blogger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t see the problem. Why would it be necessary to get the permission of the dinosaurs in order for criticism and theatre blogging to evolve. If it is a generational thing then time will simply take its course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see the problem. Why would it be necessary to get the permission of the dinosaurs in order for criticism and theatre blogging to evolve. If it is a generational thing then time will simply take its course.</p>
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		<title>By: the owl vs the internet &#171; Until Further Notice</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1714</link>
		<dc:creator>the owl vs the internet &#171; Until Further Notice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matt Boothman makes an incredibly important point, quite rightly - How is criticism supposed to evolve and find a place in the media as it exists today, if its biggest names think blogging is the enemy? Referring to Dickson here, and what of the likes of Billington and co.? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Matt Boothman makes an incredibly important point, quite rightly &#8211; How is criticism supposed to evolve and find a place in the media as it exists today, if its biggest names think blogging is the enemy? Referring to Dickson here, and what of the likes of Billington and co.? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Boothman</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1713</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Boothman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He did acknowledge that bloggers were still going to blog whether he wanted them to or not.  But he sees that as a sad fact he has to put up with, not as evidence of the power or growing prominence of the format.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He did acknowledge that bloggers were still going to blog whether he wanted them to or not.  But he sees that as a sad fact he has to put up with, not as evidence of the power or growing prominence of the format.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay Price</title>
		<link>http://www.londontheatreblog.co.uk/brickbats-in-cyberspace/#comment-1711</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 20:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goodness. Charles Spencer should really let us know what he thinks. Bloggers are here to stay I think. And to lump all bloggers as uninformed seems a gross generalization. 

If he&#039;s worried about losing his job, why doesn&#039;t he step into the technological generation? Telling the bloggers to go away won&#039;t do it. And if he won&#039;t, then perhaps he shouldn&#039;t do the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goodness. Charles Spencer should really let us know what he thinks. Bloggers are here to stay I think. And to lump all bloggers as uninformed seems a gross generalization. </p>
<p>If he&#8217;s worried about losing his job, why doesn&#8217;t he step into the technological generation? Telling the bloggers to go away won&#8217;t do it. And if he won&#8217;t, then perhaps he shouldn&#8217;t do the job.</p>
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